Do a "Dragon" search on the Dagorhir Forum and you will see a few variations. The original one I saw was everyone vs the Dragon and the dragon parts were completely immune except for the heart. Then someone from another realm said they used the Dragon as a test for one person vs the Dragon but didn't elaborate on Dragon vulnerablilities (Thats the version we tried with Taco and was exceedingly hard) Then I read about the Dragon Rules the Atari (?) used. They had a version where the Dragon was expected to eventually die, so its legs could be gimped and it could be defanged. Teams of 3 attacked the Dragon, if they died, the next team of 3 attacked, and so forth and so on. The Dragon could not regenerate limbs, etc and would eventually be killed because it couldn't effectively move.
Other versions have the Dragon regenerating gimped limbs after a certain count.
I mixed and matched these rules for Sasquatch's attempt. The Dragon legs could be gimped with a double tap or double handed red strike to the legs, we could have Jav's and two handed spear thrusts to that list too since the legs are treated as armored. The tail and head are still immune, the legs can be gimped but not killed. The heart can not carry a weapon but is considered fully armored and the shield is unbreakable. The Dragon parts can be disarmed if the weapons are knocked out of their hands (the feet and the tail only) they can not pick up the weapon again.
The Dragon is meant to be very, very hard to kill and if you make it any easier, you cheapen the experience.
Sasquatch did good til (notice the video) Smithy was able to hit a lower part of his leg that was not behind his shield. Had he kept covered better, he might have had another opportunity.
I would use a glaive and whack at the legs to gimp them. Once I had a couple gimped, I might go in with a few jav's or just rush in to knock over some legs and pull the hearts shield around long enough for either a double tap to the body or a double green thrust. You would get only two shots. The first shot that hits you from any armed part of the dragon would hit your armor, then a second would kill you, so you have to be confident, aggressive and pick the right moment, the right spot and be damn good with your weapons or lucky as hell.
It can be done young Phox skywalker, feel the force, maybe you will be the next challenger.
Konradr
Phoxly
Posts : 2131 Join date : 2009-10-04 Age : 34 Location : Black Lions
As long as its not unfair to the person fighting him, OR the people representing the dragon. I like unique games just as long as there is no one sidedness. I do like the team of 3 idea but not waves of them as thats no fun for the dragon.
Thank You Obiwankonradr.
PS: Can arrows kill the heart?
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Alacian
Posts : 934 Join date : 2009-08-23 Age : 31 Location : Las Vegas
Yep. I'd of done so yesterday but I'd like to get through processing in one piece without having a red break my hand or my face before then (. I already took a spear to the face yesterday and have internal bruising from Saturday that's kicking my ass today. So, I'm laying off to much heavy combat before May 5th. But yes, I intend to challenge the dragon next month.
Plus....the last Sunday of next month is four days after my birthday. I have to try and be an epic eighteen and attack a dragon like all young warriors venturing into manhood...
Hxctemplar
Posts : 411 Join date : 2009-08-11 Age : 33 Location : Las Vegas
Can the bow/dragons fire be broken? such as, if I strike the bow, will the dragon not be able to 'breath fire' or does that rule not apply to this game?
sasquatch
Posts : 571 Join date : 2009-06-09 Age : 34 Location : las vegas
The "heart" is considered fully armored. An arrow or Javelin to the torso will kill it, but not to the head as it is wearing a helm.
You can not break the bow as it is considered the beasts mouth. Besides that if you swung at the bow you might damage a very expensive item. So don't do it. That being said, I don't see why you couldn't nudge the bow or arrow or the archer's hand to screw up his aim, just don't hit it.
If the "head" is fighting with his sidearm, which represents its teeth, you could knock that out of his hands and he could not pick it up.
As for Dragon Challenges. You must tell Surt in person at any practice before Althing that you want to fight the Dragon. Surt has informed me that he will allow only one Dragon Challenger per Althing. So you must be first to make the challenge and Surt must accept. Also, Dragon Challenges will only be made if there are enough fighters at Althing that Surt consider's worthy of being the Dragon, and the proper weapons.
Konradr
caretaker
Posts : 385 Join date : 2009-10-25 Age : 33 Location : Las Vegas
I never understood why people bought so expensive bows:p With as crazy as this game gets from time to time, things are bound to have chances of breaking. Plus hitting a bow normally would be like gimping an archer or destroying a shield mans shield.
Is this rule just for this game or is it a realm preference thing?
Weird, I was looking at bow rules, cause of Kjir thinking of arching....They changed the pound rules, both crossbows and bows poundage's are 35lbs, with different maximum draws. When did this get changed??? It used to be 25lbs for bows and 15lbs for crossbows, lol, or am i just crazy? lulz:D
I may give it a try sometime:D
Phoxly
Posts : 2131 Join date : 2009-10-04 Age : 34 Location : Black Lions
15lbs on a crossbow is REALLY light lol, I am glad they changed the rules but crossbows are still really inconvenient\impractical and making Dag bolts work with a normal crossbow is tough from what I hear.
On the topic of "hacking" a bow to destroy it, I'd be pissed if someone swung at a nice bow like Kilanos or Smithy's, or even my new Fiberglass bow, if you have a shot at an archer and you choose to hit their bow as opposed to their shoulder, leg, arm, or torso, you should be ashamed of yourself, especially in a respawn game where the bow DOES respawn when a fighter respawns.
The only practical use I have seen of hitting a bow was destroying a bow that had been dropped by one player to stop it from being used by another.
(Sorry to derail the topic)
sasquatch
Posts : 571 Join date : 2009-06-09 Age : 34 Location : las vegas
well i don't know about that kurn always used his bow as a shield when in a jam. I understand wut you are saying phoxly but accidents do happen and when they do it sux but there is nothing that can be done about it
Phoxly
Posts : 2131 Join date : 2009-10-04 Age : 34 Location : Black Lions
well i don't know about that kurn always used his bow as a shield when in a jam. I understand wut you are saying phoxly but accidents do happen and when they do it sux but there is nothing that can be done about it
I totally agree, I have never seen a bow break over a foam weapon hitting it, so maybe its a good option for Kurn, I have yet to meet him
konradr
Posts : 3563 Join date : 2009-03-10 Age : 59 Location : Las Vegas/Henderson
As long as the topic is derailed we might as well take the ride in the name of interesting conversation....
I've heard people complain that the 15lb limit on crossbow's left them emasculated to the point they were only an interesting option for fun rather than serious use. Raising them to 35 means they may be a viable weapon, but a Crossbow is going to hit harder than a bow, in my opinion, so they need to be tested. I tried arching and found it too complicated for me; however, I like crossbows have used one to hunt rabbits with when I was a kid. I wouldn't mind getting one or making one. We would need a bow string weight testing thing. I've seen a topic on the Dag forum on making a simple, passable bow with PVC! Soooo maybe I can do a crossbow with PVC and a carved 2 X 4.
Bow's can be broken on the ground, yes. Just tap it and say "Bow Broken" It respawns with the dead archer.
Bows can be broken also, if the archer chooses to use it to block incoming blows. If it blocks a blow the blow will "Break" the bow. I would think you have to discard the bow after that as a "broken bow" shouldn't be able to block shots anymore. Of course by using it in this defensive manner, the archer is taking the risk of actual damage to his bow.
I wouldn't target the bow itself in any attack on an archer. I'd rather gimp or kill him. I wouldn't mind killing him and taking his bow and arrows for some quick shots at his friends either, but that would have to be okay with the archer.
Archer's don't have to engage in close combat, for instance if Kjir wants to arch, just let her know when someone gets close she can raise her arms and yield and they shouldn't hit her. We'll have to reemphasize the rules on not hitting a player who yields.
On that note, I'll try and get the loaner bow and arrows back into operation. Apparently it needs a new string, which I'll have to order through the mail. And the stupid aluminum arrows need a special nock I can't find even at the store I bought the darn things from. If anyone, another officer or weapon's checker, would like to take over responsibility of the Loaner bow and arrows from me, it may help get it back into operation quicker.(???)
As for my crossbow, I'm planning its construction in my head as we speak. I'm thinking of golf tube arrows, cut in half for crossbow bolts. (He he) They use those in SCA but with rubber blunts or tennis balls for heads. I'll use Mordrauk's design with blue camp mat foam, I believe its on the Dag forums too.
Konradr
Phoxly
Posts : 2131 Join date : 2009-10-04 Age : 34 Location : Black Lions
I saw a 30lb crossbow in a pawn shop for 25$ and I kept thinking to myself "man it would be neat to make into a dag cbow". I have seen Thunderhorse fire a bow like a crossbow with the bow sideways for long shots, I'm not realy sure the physics of making a crossbow but if its quick to load/reload and efficient maybe that would be a fun route for you to explore Konradr!
Edit: Konradr since you are a mod you should try out your mod powers and try making a new topic and merging these posts into it under the "armory" section if you don't want to further derail the topic hahaha.
konradr
Posts : 3563 Join date : 2009-03-10 Age : 59 Location : Las Vegas/Henderson
Though part of the "mod squad" (he he, showing age there) I do not really understand my mod powers nor the admin panel, which confuses me somewhat. I will leave another Mod to do that, and simply continue the ride. But yes this would be better under the Armory topic about bows. Maybe we should just end this here and go on to make said new topic and leave this one for the next video of a dragonslayer challenge.
Konradr
sasquatch
Posts : 571 Join date : 2009-06-09 Age : 34 Location : las vegas
I was thinking two PVC pipes glued, taped, and possibly screwed together halfway down, then the half that isn't glued bend it around like a McDonald's arc with a bow string of sorts, and the bolt would rest on the glued part, hmmm might be something to have fun with
konradr
Posts : 3563 Join date : 2009-03-10 Age : 59 Location : Las Vegas/Henderson
I would use a glaive and whack at the legs to gimp them. Once I had a couple gimped, I might go in with a few jav's or just rush in to knock over some legs and pull the hearts shield around long enough for either a double tap to the body or a double green thrust.
Problem here is the head will kill you long before you reach the body. What you need to do is focus on making the dragon use it's arrows and then collect them so they can not be reused. Once out of arrows, switch from shield and sword to glaive and gimp all 4 legs. Next focus on drawing the tail out and disarming it. Once the tail is disarmed, move the weapon to the same location as the arrows. Disarming the head can also be done, but will take to much time. Using the pole, stab a leg hard in the belly to force an opening, hook the shield and stab for the heart.
For the dragon, the heart can not carry a weapon, but under some rules, can carry the arrows for the head. Heart commands how the entire unit should move. Fo-ward 2! Everyone takes two steps forward, about hace 2, everyone moves back 2 steps, with the forward and backward directions being towards the tail or head. All parts, remember you can grapple. If that jav or pole comes to close, grab it! If a shield tries to rush past, grab the shield. Leg units are going to be gimped so use those legs to bait the fighter and once close enough, grapple equipment.
Phoxly
Posts : 2131 Join date : 2009-10-04 Age : 34 Location : Black Lions
Easier said than done Morlock lol, but good strategy minus the "make the head run out of arrows" as most archers won't sit there and pop shots at you unless you get close, so you'll spend some time exposing yourself into making the archer take shots, and then dodging those shots for a good 5-10 arrows.
You should totally challenge the dragon next time you come down Morlock (:
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Subject: Dragon slayer video's. 
Mon Mar 01, 2010 5:55 pm
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